October 8, 2018, 1:13 pm, After having listened to this interview, I don’t think that she makes many good points. ), Mr. Money Mustache Hopefully, Suze will read it so she understands. I read a couple of the articles and listened to a few minutes of the Orman podcast. IF your consumption exceeds your harvest, then you need to sell a little bit of your farm every year and in that case the price your neighbor is willing to pay matters. I’m even cutting the cord on my beloved luxury gym — $215 a month is ludicrous and home workouts save time which equals more sleep/relaxation/play with my dog time… yes, I know dogs are optional but so are kids and I’d choose a dog over a baby any day ;). I’ve been cooking every day and eating healthier/better than ever. I think if she was more read up on the tenets of FI she wouldn’t see the need to express hatred toward it, and could probably get along pretty well here. The Frugal Joker The drone people are starting to wake up! And dozens of ten-dollar bills start to add up to real money pretty quickly, which is something most people don’t realize. We’re creatures of comparison; an unfortunate side effect of outliers like MMM gaining fame is that Regular Joe sees a role model that is so far from the norm that he doesn’t think himself capable of that level of dedication and swears off the FIRE Movement before his flabby frugality muscles even get a workout. Besides, being an Orthodox Christian makes it unpalatable to think about sitting on large sums of capital, but provides many great examples of living joyfully on next to nothing. We were able to see things on the way out to and back from Yosemite that would have otherwise passed under our wings had we used the personal jet that we don’t own. money will not cure your fear, as megamillionaire Suze proves so clearly.. She did come off as full of fear, and as I commented on other blogs according to her nobody is financially prepared for a major disaster. p.s. True happiness can’t be achieved by laying around and accomplishing nothing. Just checked your blog as I was missing good MMM stuff and boom☆ another fantastic article. http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/10/07/how-big-is-your-circle-of-control/, Young FIRE Knight Only three times a week!” vs. “Constantly! That lots of people are critical of aspects of the Financial Independence Movement? namasteyall Better that you both align on your shared financial goals and enjoy your life together, rather than taking that dreaded death-march to early retirement. Women go about their life regardless, yes, but boy am I tired of this just being life as usual. Complaints and insults generally won’t make the cut here, but by all means write them on your own blog! Whereas I don’t feel like it’s ‘trying hard’ at all – it’s not at all a hardship to reach this level. As a kid I remember hearing that digital programs would push accountants (and other number-crunchers) out of work, one accountant with the right software and networked systems can do the work of ten people with pen and paper. But she shouldn’t knock people who don’t care to work their asses off in jobs they don’t like until they’re 70-years-old. When it comes to basic brain mechanics, and thus everything the brain begets (cognition, emotion, stress, mental health more generally, etc and so on), Exercise and Sleep are the two most powerful tools you’ve got at your disposal for brain health. Jason Winning However, I am a big believer in not tuning out local news completely, at least when it comes to politics/current events that directly affect your loved ones and your greater community. i think the point MMM has tried to drum home in the past is that it’s a monstrously huge and complicated world out there, and much of what goes on in it is way, way outside of your sphere of influence. I also agree with her point that if you’re unhappy with your job, find another that you feel passionate about. But if I’m not informed I don’t know which. One good point that Suze did make was that some people don’t pay attention to a long-term “enough.” If you live on $20k now with health insurance covered, save 25x, retire, and “all of a sudden” it’s $30k/year expenses… or if you want to do $10k/year slow travel but didn’t include that in your 25x and can’t quite make it up with Airbnb while you’re gone… these are things you should think through before leaving the work force if you’re one of the fortunate high earners. Somehow accountants (and others in similar fields) are not on the streets. Mr. Money Mustache. Mostly. Which is one of the reasons I encourage everyone, whether employed or not, to keep their minds open for ways to make money without the need for an employer. These are often filling, nutritious meals that taste amazing and generally leave enough leftovers for dinner the next day or lunches for work. It was too crazy to be left uncommented upon. This site might benefit by having like buttons. October 5, 2018, 1:51 pm. Pete was a software engineer from 1998 to 2005 before Financial Independence. Because you are right: in the media world, you don’t have to be RIGHT, you just have to be LOUD. My issue is that many issues that are national and international, affect me locally. No need to touch my stocks for up to 6 years. If you are a mature and intelligent person, re-search your plan b to get out in the next 6-8 months. My husband and I do luckily agree on the big stuff. For us, this was brilliant. A big fan here and thanks for the time last year in Equador. Many people equate Mr. Money Mustache with FIRE. I think that’s the key point she misses. I want them to SPREAD, and spread quickly. Jennifer…have you thought about crockpot cooking? Fire proponents are also big into ‘side hustles’: ways of earning extra money to … But a game changer for us about 6-7 years ago was to build in about $80 per month for each of us as “blow” money…no accountability at all required. I agree with your article for the most part. It helps that we as a country have transitioned into a employee’s market, but having even a small stash in the bank has helped me relax at work a lot. Jennifer This is not an uncommon situation among many of my friends, and yes, it tends to end up with the women getting home from work and immediately having to launch into a second shift of house work. But as someone who has sponsored a family from Africa, I can promise you my sphere can go farther than the ten miles around my house if I choose. For example: many people avoid cycling because they have heard from friends that it is very dangerous. That’s not the freedom of knowing you can just walk away for good, but it takes away the immediate panic. Stock market volatility. The reason it has spread to millions of people is that it works. Millions of people in the US and throughout the world live quite happily on a hell of a lot less than $80,000 USD per year, how long has it been since she set foot outside her multi-millionaire bubble? I place more emphasis on “Financial Independence”. FIRE is simply about making smart decisions with your spending so that you waste less money. i’m way better for having cut all that out, even if it comes at the expense of having my head in the sand a little bit. Would I rather work forever and stash away enough for any conceivable possibility? I just really like your place in town where folks can come meet up, socialize, work, work out and be around like minded people! So funny was Paula then. Up first we have the undisputed heavyweight champion of the FIRE community: Mr. Money Mustache. Let’s design our lifestyle for less consumption and happiness derived from things that truly matter. “Cockinhibitors”? people who don’t get the minimum recommended exercise are more at risk of mental health issues, but it’s only one of many, many risk factors (genetics, social environment, personal trauma, nutrition, sleep, etc.). If you think there is even the slightest flaw with the ideas behind FIRE, you’re probably just not understanding it correctly. Lisa Vatnsdal We have two cars, but I walk to work every day (under a mile – I know, I am lucky) and most of our grocery runs our by bike (2.5 mi). Ten dollar drinks are one easy example, but there are dozens of other ones that I’m suggesting. I’m 90% with you, but I don’t think recent early retirees really understand the financial pain they are about to endure if they just chuck all their spare cash into VTSAX. Physical Health is critical but mental health would have to be number one in my books. I recently found out about the FIRE movement and have been reading blogs and listening to different podcast since January. I’m not at the die-hard Mustachian phase, but I’m on my way – currently debt-free (except for a mortgage) and saving/investing 35% of my income with plans to increase this amount. October 5, 2018, 12:24 pm. Which we know isn’t true. DuckReconMajor Doing this controversial podcast resulted in tons of posts in the various Facebook groups, subreddits, (even here on the MMM blog). No offense meant, but I do. Your optimism, positivity, and emphasis on family, friends, and experiences over wealth or conspicuous consumption make me want to live a more simple, happier life. Making that your priority makes everything else so much easier. My husband makes about 85K, which he just jumped to this year after a large raise. Lack of physical activity is a risk factor for depression, but there are plenty of people who engage in regular, vigorous physical activity who still experience depression. I am also mentoring 4 more young men. He allows himself occasional luxuries, gets drunk now and then, and admits to … When IT kids and med school kids like us get into our cubicles and operating rooms, we start to dread the routine and stress. @The Frugal Joker, It could be that mind set but it doesn’t need to be. I think for most folks FIRE is a wonderful thing. October 5, 2018, 3:46 pm. One thing that helps me understand where Orman is coming is that a large number of her typical audience are people in debt or those just beginning their financial journey. No one ever got fired for saying “work longer and you’ll be more secure in retirement.” It’s true, but it’s not the full story, and may be way more than you need. This blog is generally a great read and the MMM persona is funny, witty, and wise. Thanks! The New York Times article looks very positive. (Even if it’s still difficult. At first I thought that you couldn’t do this unless you had no kids and a high paying job, but that just isn’t true. They also did a study that showed that kids succeeded when parents were involved in their lives. It is a balancing act and he has come a long way…sometimes I need to make sure my frugal ways don’t get in the way of living either. If you are afraid of what might happen in the future, you have a mental problem rather than a financial problem. Once you have your own shit set up nicely, it’s a pretty natural instinct to turn outwards and try to help others. Le origini del Movimento FIRE sono lontane, risalgono precisamente al 1992. Have a great day! Who hates learning? 3: FIRE Is Not Really About Early Retirement. The idea that you can get some part time work when shit hits the fan in your portfolio is often ill advised. But maybe Suze is one of those few people that can get her hands on that amount of money at her age? But for most people who get there, Financial Independence does not mean the end of your working career. How much can I afford to borrow to buy the house that we “need”. Jennifer I enjoy my profession; a big part of the satisfaction comes from the fact that I CHOOSE to only work for institutional clients, I do not take bad assignments, I don’t work for A-holes , I don’t cut my fees (b/c I don’t have to), etc. We have 99 problems but money ain’t one. Wait a minute…, DuckReconMajor We make decisions to maximize happiness instead of making things the easiest or accumulating the most stuff. There’s folks in the forums here that state it better, but I believe most FIRE advocates recognize and account for their own fears of financial implosion. Mr. Money Mustache’s publicly shared household spending is just above the Federal Poverty Guidelines for a family of three. October 5, 2018, 1:25 pm. r/Fire: FI/RE (Financial Independence / Retiring Early) is a money movement that's sweeping the nation. That doesn’t mean that you ought to work in a career you don’t enjoy effectively hedging away any chance ary long term happiness. I told them over that final year. If you have an android device: "Non so se ci sarà un giorno in cui smette… Shame on MMM he should have said a “brisk walk” not a “brisk outdoor walk”, since women, people who live next to cliff(s), people who cannot walk, people who cannot walk briskly, and people who live in extremely hot or cold climates might possibly be offended. But what about the guy getting by on $20k? In other words, they are not going to ever say, “Hey, if you stop spending so much, you could retire with a lot less savings” because its not in THEIR best interests. No matter where I walk today, I should be sure that I vary my walk each day, so that it doesn’t become a predictable routine. We are just short of minimalists, which means our house is uncluttered and peaceful to live in. Join Facebook to connect with Mr. Money Mustache and others you may know. The 10% route takes too long. October 5, 2018, 1:08 pm. With our style of living, even on a modest income and 4 kids, we hope to achieve FIRE also by about 45 (currently mid-thirties). I kept the “Retired Early” part out, because I had realized that people dislike the “Retired Early” part. We have done all this by shrinking our lifestyle and being content with what we have. Such stupid logic. And as it turns out, there is a similar hack for every single one of life’s major expenses. There really are very effective treatments out there both in the form of therapy and medication that are available. A number of podcasts are on there, too. For example, Mr Money Moustache is no longer a software designer, but a carpenter. Facebook gives people the power to share … Thank you for this blog’s message and advice. Because the whole reason for doing any of this is to lead the happiest, most satisfying life you can possibly lead. October 6, 2018, 8:20 am. As a mental health epidemiologist – Kevin very accurately put how we look at physical activity (or lack thereof) and mental health. I was so curious about Mr. MMM”s response when I saw Suze’s interview on Afford Anything and a whole range of articles that came from that podcast. If you told me financial independence by 40 was possible back when I was 21, I would have reacted the same way and felt very insecure about it. This drastically improves your hormonal balance and reduces stress and fear. You might know him as one of the OG members of the MMM forums, or as one of the founders of Camp Mustache. Focus should be on starting a business or getting a job that gets your blood pumping like intense movie. THANK YOU for busting the myths I’ve already started hearing about the process. 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